stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards
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13:11:49
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Re: [stargate] Red and Black Cards
In a message dated 7/11/98 4:06:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
taosk8r@... writes:
<<
Not to mention Prudence Calabrese's lottery group, which has done quite
well.. Sorry if I seem to be harping on her, but I assure you, it is
merely circumstantial..
http://www.largeruniverse.com >>
Gosh darn..that's odd...when I had dinner with Pru the discussion on RI and
lotteries did not seem to indicate that at all...but what do I know...I was
only talking to her personally and I guess I was captivated by her
loveliness...the fact is that people who actually believe their minds can
control (let alone read) numbers in the altered state are not going to be
persuaded by other facts calling upon common sense...there minds are made up
and usually quite closed to serious discussions even from people who have been
at the business for a decade or more...but for the benefit of those who are
reading this message and slavering all over yourselves at the prospect of
making millions in the lotteries..considre these facts...then go buy you
dollar ticket at the 7-11
1. Since time and space drop out of the equation in the altered state....how
can you be sure of the actual date or place you are supposedly seeing the six
numbers in a standard state lottery. Can you be sure the buck you spend in
Virginia based upon the wonders of RV is actually for six numbers in the next
lottery in Virginia...How do you know those wonderful six numbers are not the
numbers from six weeks ago or for six weeks from now...better yet..how do you
know if the numbers are actually from the Virginia lottery and not from the
German or French lottery or California or Japanese lottery...remember time and
space don't count...
2. Look at the number 6...now look at the number 9...If you do not know what
is up or down...like an astronaut in space...how can you be sure the 6 or is
it a 9 is actually right side up...
3. Look at the following six numbers...6 - 16 - 24 - 28 - 31 - 43...These are
winners incidentally...GUARANTEED...They are my numbers...I play them twice a
week and have played them now for four years...I have won about $1,000 so I am
ahead...No RV..I just used birthdays and ages of my family...stuff like
that...Now look at these six numbers...
6 - 16 - 42 - 28 - 13 - 34...note that all of the number from the first six
numbers are there...the sequence in which they appear have been changed
slightly...very slightly...but this six number sequence would not have won the
$1,000 would it...So how can someone be so sure that the six numbers are THAT
correct and are PERFECTLY aligned that they represent the actual six
numbers...
4. Finally, an I realize I am probably flogging a dead horse on this
one...but playing a future lottery using RV is actually using RV to read the
future. Since the future is not set .. subtle changes made in the present
will affect the outcome of the future...makingwhat you see no longer valid..At
the time you have viewed the six numbers..you presumbly have not already
played the numbers...therefore by actually playing them after viewing
them..you have affected the future...sorry...you have doused you own fire when
you do this...
But, like I said...aspiring millionaires will not be deterred by voices of
reason so please continiue to play your dollars...7-11 appreciates it and so
do I because it tends to build the pots up to very respectable amounts which
will eventually be paid to someone like me...Hahahah
Gene..
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Warning/ memory loss?
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13:11:58
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Re: [stargate] Warning/ memory loss?
Paul H. Smith wrote:
> I seem to recall it was B1; but I think the solution is to take a
> broad-spectrum supplement so you be sure and get what you need--
Nowadays the broad spectrum vitamin/mineral supplements are fairlywell-balanced.
You will note that B1, 2, and 6 are present in much
smaller amounts than B-12. Plus the multi-vitamin approach contains
essential minerals such as calcium/magneseum that assist in the body's
assimilation of any vitamin. One vitamin taken alone is unlikely to be
of much benefit and (just like too much Guinness in excess) certain
vitamins can indeed be harmful. Before embarking on any regimen
other than a simple multi-vitamin approach, I'd get one of the many
good books that are out there and read up on the subject.
Shelia
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards
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13:12:14
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Re: [stargate] Red and Black Cards
Curran2106@... wrote:
> 1. Since time and space drop out of the equation in the altered state....how
> can you be sure of the actual date or place you are supposedly seeing the six
> numbers in a standard state lottery.
I am reminded of one of the winners of the Texas lottery. The man had a dream
inwhich he saw all six of the winning numbers. Now this was a simple man with no
knowledge of the subtler issues surrounding psi; and yet even he knew that
although the numbers were the winning numbers, that when they might appear was
up
for grabs. So he simply bet his set of numbers every week for one year: and won.
Shelia
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Peer Review
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13:12:23
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Re: [stargate] Peer Review
>Steve, and anybody else with a scientific background, I would be happy to
>assist you in any way I can. I worked at the PEAR Lab from 1987 through
>1992 as research assistant, as well as participating in other psi lab
>research (PK and RV).
Angela, I am very interested in your offer of help and would greatly
appreciate any help, especially in the early stages. I'll be in touch
with e-mail on you about this, but I just wanted to take the chance to
say thanks for the offer.. I'd welcome and and all tips or advice from
ex- or current-laboratory scientists working in this field in setting up
this online experiment.
Thanks!
Steve.
stargate : Message: [stargate]
describing the wrong ideogram
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13:12:37
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Hi,
Pardon my intrusion on the current threads of psi experiments and psi ethics,
but I had a question regarding coming up with Phase 2 descriptors for the
wrong
Phase 1 ideograms. I recently did a practice target without a monitor, in
which the feedback photo showed two famous people waving as they were
driving by a crowd of people.
The ideograms, that I came up with were:
Natural
Biological
Land
Motion
Manmade
When I went to Phase 2, I came up with 14 descriptors for the Natural Ideogram
which by looking at the feedback seemed to actually be descriptors for one of
the manmades. This section also produced a Phase 3 drawing, which somewhat
matched
the descriptors for the same manmade.
When I did the Phase 2 for the Biological, I got a SC/AOL which was "there
are no
biologicals". Nothing more came in for the Biological.
I moved onto the Land ideogram, and wrote down descriptors, which were
either wrong
or unverifiable.
The same for the Motion ideogram. (I did have a SC/AOL which was "there is
no motion",
but managed to come up with a couple of descriptors).
Finally, with the Manmade ideogram, I came up with some descriptors which
matched
aspects of some of the Manmades.
Besides working with a capable monitor, what could I do to remedy these
types of
problems when working alone? If this was a real vs. practice target, would
any
of the scrambled data be salvagable?
Regards,
Roger
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Warning/ memory loss?
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13:12:47
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Re: [stargate] Warning/ memory loss?
Taking vitamins is an art in itself....
Yes..the whole spectrum of nutrients must be consider when taking vitamins since
one type may deplenish the activity of another. Also, vitamins are basically
co-enzymes....they do nothing unless you are backing it up with good meals. As
far as vitamins, I would recommend those vitamins that stimulate the mental
function and do not interfere with the balance of the body system...such as
Lecithin, Choline, Phosphatidylserine. In herbs Ginko Biloba and Gotu Kola.
Of course this is a simplified intake since, for example, Choline depends on B5
to assimilate it....
So, the idea that you can take just one B vitamin or the B Complex alone is a
farce.
electrix
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards
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13:12:59
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Hi Gene:
I was one of 50 to 60 people trying to guess lottery numbers through Pru's
TDS site. We were broken into 3 groups. According to Pru's feedback, at
least 2, if not all 3 groups made some money. Not piles of money, mind you,
but one group accrued about $1100 according to Prudence. And that was only
with buying a single ticket for each draw. I wonder if you had dinner with
her prior to this. ??
Not _all_ of your objections would apply. We were not trying to "view" the
numbers. We used an associative scheme whereby the fingers and thumbs of our
hands indicated single digits. Therefore, the upside down 9 versus 6 issue
was irrelevant.
As for your objections about viewing the correct date of the lottery,
wouldn't it be enough to simply state which lottery you are targetting and
give a date in the tasking?
A "dead horse" you say? Huh! Gambling will never be a dead horse!
Do I expect to win doing this? Heck, I don't know. But I'll tell you this.
It's interesting and it's kind of fun. Don't want to hear 15 year RV
veterans tell me it can't be done. :<)
Gene wrote:
>Gosh darn..that's odd...when I had dinner with Pru the discussion on RI and
>lotteries did not seem to indicate that at all...but what do I know...I was
>only talking to her personally and I guess I was captivated by her
>loveliness...
Rick Stordeur
Vancouver Island
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards
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13:13:18
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Rick Stordeur wrote:
> Hi Gene:
>
> I was one of 50 to 60 people trying to guess lottery numbers through Pru's
> TDS site. We were broken into 3 groups. According to Pru's feedback, at
> least 2, if not all 3 groups made some money. Not piles of money, mind you,
> but one group accrued about $1100 according to Prudence. And that was only
> with buying a single ticket for each draw. I wonder if you had dinner with
> her prior to this. ??
>
I was in group 2. Everyone made a little money. We each turned in our numbers
on the day of the lottery. Pru would look them over and take the numbers that
were duplicated, and buy a ticket for each group. We were just going to start
rolling the winnings into some more tickets, so each team member could win $50
or $100 instead of $50 or $100 to be split by the team, when Pru started
traveling and was not home enough to do the lottery any more.. it is still a
good idea. Gives you incentive to practice, and has definitely verifiable
results.
Aloha Yaana
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards--lottery
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13:13:31
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> > I was one of 50 to 60 people trying to guess lottery numbers through Pru's
> > TDS site. We were broken into 3 groups. According to Pru's feedback, at
> > least 2, if not all 3 groups made some money. Not piles of money, mind you,
> > but one group accrued about $1100 according to Prudence. And that was only
> > with buying a single ticket for each draw. I wonder if you had dinner with
> > her prior to this. ??
> >
>
I was in one of the groups and was supposed to be a few bucks ahead. I
guess its
still in the kitty. It was an interesting experiment. I was never
comfortable with
the method and if getting RV data seems detached....the finger exercise
was even
more "remote". As often as not I didn't send in any numbers because I
didn't "get"
any numbers. I didn't want to contaminate the pool.
What was interesting was that there did seem to be an extraordinary hit
rate. Maybe someone
can obtain the data from Prudence. But...also she was using some kind of
number crunching
method to select from all the numbers sent to her. It would seem that
this part of the
process would totally overlay or distort any psi data unless somehow the
universal whatever
is itself a big number cruncher.
The bottom line is that the process seemed to be producing some unusual
results, didnt take much time
to do, and was easier then going out for a quick pick.....especially
living in
North Carolina....where there are no lotteries.
Rich
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards
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13:13:42
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<< Don't want to hear 15 year RV
veterans tell me it can't be done. :<) >>
Sorry...but it can't be done...horse is now dead...I will not comment on it
again...enjoy your villa in Barbadoes and your Aston Martin...
gene...
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Question...
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13:13:53
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For you military RV studs and other skilled RV'ers.
Have you found that having a session in the same room together
contaminates the session.
Also, does Hal Puthoff holds seminars?
electrix
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Red and Black Cards
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13:14:03
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> > But, like I said...aspiring millionaires will not be deterred by voices of
> > reason so please continiue to play your dollars...7-11 appreciates it and so
> > do I because it tends to build the pots up to very respectable amounts which
> > will eventually be paid to someone like me...Hahahah
> >
> > Gene..
Actually with the lottery club, there was no need to try and break the bank. A
group
of people targeting the next drawing, and combining results can consistently get
a
better than even return. If from a $1 dollar investment the proceeds are rolled
into
new tickets, this little amusement and practice exercise can develop quite
nicely,
without having to hit the big one. If the only validation is viewed as
breaking
the bank, the more intelligent strategy of just consistently beating the odds
and
rolling over your winnings, is overlooked.
Aloha Yaana
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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13:14:15
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electrix wrote:
> [snip].
>
> Have you found that having a session in the same room together
> contaminates the session.
>
> [snip]
> electrix
Dear Electrix,
This would probably be a good question submit to Leonard Buchanan.
You maybe remember that Lyn
- first choosed to train people *individualy* in RV,
- an now teaches CRV to groups.
This would be probably also a good question to Angela Thompson-Smith
(Inner Vision Institute, Las Vegas NV), or Bevy Jaegers (U.S Psi Squad,
St-Louis MO). Both of them have an experience in teaching efficiently
various kinds of RV methods to small groups in the same room.
Imho, this question raises an interresting point concerning not so much
the session itself (which looks often as a very
individual-inner-process, even in groups) than the result of the
session.
I remember, for example, that we did once a group RV session with 14
persons in the same room. We were given a sealed enveloppe, which
circulated from hand to hand, and we had to view the origin of the
content. The answers were as follows:
- for the two firts persons : Mediterranean Sea
- and suddenly for the eleven next persons : Greece.
When it came to the last viewer to answer, he said "Greece" too !
At the end of the exercise, the teacher opened the enveloppe and showed
us a little beige stone from a Romanian bridge called "Le pont du Gard"
(South part of France). We were all wrong except the last guy who
revealed afterwards that he had the good answer but changed his mind at
the last minute after discovering what was answered by the most part of
the groupe :)
A friend of mine underlined at that occasion that this is a well-know
experience in group-psychology (for details see Solomon Ash [1951, 1955,
1956]) on influencing and/or conformity effects. To make it short, if I
remember well : when 9 people in a group of 10 persons answer "yes" to a
question (even if this answer is wrong) the last person to talk may say
"yes" too, under group's pressure, in around 33% of the cases (even if
this last person thinks the good answer to the question is "no").
Hope this helps.
Thanks electrix, thanks Steve for this interesting forum.
Jean-Luc.
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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13:14:30
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hm15 wrote:
> electrix wrote:
>
> > [snip].
> >
> > Have you found that having a session in the same room together
> > contaminates the session.
> >
> > [snip]
>
> > electrix
>
HI Electrix,
In HRVG we hold class 3 times a week. In these classes we will have from 4
to 14 students all shooting the same targets.
For the most part we shoot validation targets, targets that at the end of
class you can look at the data and know whether it is good or not. What
happens in the group is that generally one person will get what we call the
sweet spot, the most direct congruent aspect of the target, the others pick
up on upper and lower side band aspects, that is to say some may focus on
details of terrain or structures or equipment or associated people, that
were at target but not the main aspect. Viewers not on the sweet spot will
still have good target data, but the majority of their data will be on
another aspect of the target.
Shooting targets in a group gives a greater volume of data for the analyst,
particular focus is put on things that show up in 2 or more sessions, most
of our students will get good congruent target data each session now, but
depending on the clarity of focus and how well it is recorded.
Some may have basic gestalts, say tall verticals, while another may draw the
Tower of London, with details of the gates and draw bridge. Practice and
discipline, as well as having a good day contribute to the level of clarity
and therefor how much high level data is recorded.
The HRVG works targets in groups all the time, our homework is done solo,
some like homework better because if they are disciplined they are
guaranteed the sweet spot, they do not have to compete for it. But group
sessions have a very valuable contribution to project development with
intricate data.
If you want to see some examples of this work go to www.hrvg.org we have
post many of our sessions as well as practice targets.
Aloha Yaana
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Question 2: Physiology
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13:14:41
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I noticed that while doing several sessions in the RV workshop, I became
"drained" for a lack of better word. It was almost like lethargy in
that, even though I was anxious to tackle more sessions it was like my
body was saying "no, I just want to relax." When I felt the "vibe" of
the group, it felt the same way...as if everyone was interested in
learning more but would delay its progress by prolonging the question
and answer periods.
In the past, doing other practices, this has came up. It was the use of
excessive mental activity that slumped my body. Usually, I would
rejuvinate by observing the environment.
Any of you ran into this physiological reaction?
electrix
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
describing the wrong ideogram
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13:14:57
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Hi Roger; Liam here. First of all the site is a stage 4 site and IMO it
cannot be resolved in stage 2 or 3. (I will not even go into the time
problems of viewing an event that took place in the past. It can easily be
done, but it MUST be addressed in the tasking) I am not sure what a
biological ideogram is. Normally, at least for me, that infomation comes in
very easily in stage 4. For me, stage 2s tend to relate to the entire site,
rather han a specific ideogram. \Stage 2s in stage 4 are T specific. My
wife, and some students, can put stage 2 descriptors towards a specific
ideogram, so I know it can be done. But with stage 4 it is much more
certain.
I do not know this helped anyslainte
May the force be with you
Liam
>
>Pardon my intrusion on the current threads of psi experiments and psi
ethics,
>but I had a question regarding coming up with Phase 2 descriptors for the;
>wrong
>Phase 1 ideograms. I recently did a practice target without a monitor, in
>which the feedback photo showed two famous people waving as they were
>driving by a crowd of people.
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question 2: Physiology
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13:15:05
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Hi Liam here Remote viewing is tiring. endurance must be built up.A long
session is like running a Martha, or boxing 10 rounds. It takes time to
recover. A monitor always watches for the fatigue factor. fatigue tends to
degrade information.
slainte
May the force be with you
Liam
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Question...
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13:15:17
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> For the most part we shoot validation targets, targets that at the end of
> class you can look at the data and know whether it is good or not. What
> happens in the group is that generally one person will get what we call the
> sweet spot, the most direct congruent aspect of the target, the others pick
> up on upper and lower side band aspects, that is to say some may focus on
> details of terrain or structures or equipment or associated people, that
> were at target but not the main aspect. Viewers not on the sweet spot will
> still have good target data, but the majority of their data will be on
> another aspect of the target.
>
That is consistent with what I observed in my sessions in a group. What I
always wonder, is why isn't double-blind session used for training. It seems
that if the monitor is front loaded it is easy to make the analysis
interpretation from the session results to the target.
I would be interested in knowing if any instructor use the double-blind method,
make the analysis, gather all common Gestalt items and THEN present the students
with the Target to look at the congruency.
> The HRVG works targets in groups all the time, our homework is done solo,
> some like homework better because if they are disciplined they are
> guaranteed the sweet spot, they do not have to compete for it. But group
> sessions have a very valuable contribution to project development with
> intricate data.
I like this idea of weekly classes instead of the weekend workshop or one week
session arrangement. I believe you are right. Some day(s), we are not up to
performing well. Lord help the novice if we are on the weekend course and that
attitude kicks in.
> If you want to see some examples of this work go to www.hrvg.org we have
> post many of our sessions as well as practice targets.
Been there and done that! I am impressed!
thanks
electrix
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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13:15:28
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> I would be interested in knowing if any instructor use the double-blind
method,
> make the analysis, gather all common Gestalt items and THEN present the
students
> with the Target to look at the congruency.
>
Our instructor gives as a lecture for an hour, then puts the target ID on the
board
and leaves for an hour and a half. When he return we review everyone s work,
discuss we we "KNOW" about the target, and after what seems an eternity, get to
see
what the target is :D
Aloha Yaana
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards
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13:15:48
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>Since the future is not set .. subtle changes made in the present
>will affect the outcome of the future...making what you see no longer
valid..At
>the time you have viewed the six numbers..you presumbly have not already
>played the numbers...therefore by actually playing them after viewing
>them..you have affected the future...sorry...you have doused you own fire
when
>you do this...
>
Hello Gene,
How does this stack up then with Joes new book, in which he rvs the
(potential) future?
Does the writing and publishing of it somewhat invaldate it? If so, why
bother.
Regards, MaryD
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Real time targets
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13:15:58
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Please offer some advice and means for setting myself real time targets.
Thankyou in advance, MaryD
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Question 2: Physiology
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13:16:08
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From: electrix
Subject: [stargate] Question 2: Physiology
>I noticed that while doing several sessions in the RV workshop, I became
>"drained" for a lack of better word. It was almost like lethargy
in............
>In the past, doing other practices, this has came up. It was the use of
>excessive mental activity that slumped my body. Usually, I would
>rejuvinate by observing the environment.
>
>Any of you ran into this physiological reaction? >>
Hi electrix,
Yes, I have experienced the lethargy, actually I am just flat out of it, the
body and actions of it running on pure rote, particularly after viewing a
strong energy target.
The only way I have found to bring my main view point back to physical, is to
just give in, and "sleep it off," sort a speak ... after writing down the
target data, I lay down go into deep sleep for a bit, wake up with a much
clearer head (phased back into the physical view), and tons of energy,
strength in my body...... That is works best for me.
~Terri~
P.S. go do your Gateway program.
stargate : Message: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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13:16:18
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Hi everybody,
I was just wondering what would happen if a viewer went through a known
dimensional portal. Would it be similiar to where a person can go to
levels 34 and 35 (non physical) as taught by the Monroe Institute. It is
said that a person can't stay at levels 34/35 for very long or they won't
come back -- they will lose their earth ties and will die. Does anyone
know anything about this?
Is it safe to go through a dimensional portal? What could happen? Just
wondering about this wonderful world of ours!
Jane
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Red and Black Cards
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13:16:29
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In a message dated 7/12/98 10:36:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Ladyley@... writes:
<<
How does this stack up then with Joes new book, in which he rvs the
(potential) future?
Does the writing and publishing of it somewhat invaldate it? If so, why
bother. >>
Mary...You are not reading my postings....What I said was that the future is
not set....You most certainly can view the future and if you do nothing to
attempt to change it...it will occur as you see it...If, on the other hand,
you take pro-active steps to affect the future...then it changes...The old
military unit was sometime used by the Secret Service to view specific places
where the President would speak and to see if there was "future" danger....If
we saw something...an explosion, a gunshot .. fire...etc...they would take
very proactive steps to change the scenario of the planned appearance and
shazzaaammmm...Nothing happened....Were we wrong in what we saw...?...I don't
know but I know the SS thought enough of our techniques to make the changes...
Regards...Gene...
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/325)
13:16:40
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<< Is it safe to go through a dimensional portal? What could happen? Just
wondering about this wonderful world of ours!
Jane
---- >>
Jane...One of my recent graduates...I think you know her...was introduced to
several "dimensional" gateways and came away from them feeling great. She is
a courageous and gifted viewer but I intentionally rigged the session so that
her contact with these gateways were only peripheral to prevent her from
passing through these gateways. I regret it now because she found out what I
did and gave me hell for it. It was an old bias of mine and I unnecessarily
foisted it on her. I have other places that seem to be gateways to other
dimensions / universes and one day I will slip one of these to her in a
practice session and this time I will give her enough lead to permit her to
pass through. When that happens, I will let you know if she ever
returns..hahah
Gene...
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/326)
13:16:51
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>is said that a person can't stay at levels 34/35 for very long or they
>won't come back -- they will lose their earth ties and will die.
I have no personal experience with wave VI, as I am just beginning. I
have, however, had some friends relate to me that they feel as long as
you intend to return you will. Whether this has any basis as being
factual or not I can't say. I would imagine that your state of mind has
alot to do with the results though. Again...I am a novice and this is
just pondering on my part.
Siochain,
Vikki
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/327)
13:17:08
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Hi Vikki,
Yes, I have heard the same thing -- that the intent is what gets you
there and what gets you back. So, you have received training at Monroe?
What programs have you done?
Jane
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/328)
13:17:19
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> Yes, I have heard the same thing -- that the intent is what gets you
>there and what gets you back.
It makes sense to me that that would be true. Similar, I think, to what
some refer to as cording yourself, but instead of the visualization of
a physical cord it is all contained within ones desire and intent to
return. Same thing, I suppose just a different way of going about it.
> So, you have received training at Monroe? What programs have you
done?
Oh No! I haven't trained at the Monroe Institute, not that I wouldn't
love to one day ;-) I have started the Gateway series here at home. In
the future, when the boy-child is a bit older and I have a few less
animals to look after.... ;-)
Have you studied at Monroe? I would very much love to hear of your
experiences whether at Monroe or at home. If this is an inappropriate
topic for this list please feel free to post me privately.
Siochain,
Vikki
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/329)
13:17:33
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Gene,
You never cease to amaze me, when you come up with little gems like this.
You guys are fascinating. Do you realise this?
I'm _not_ sticking any of you on an even higher pedestal than you already
are, or I wouldn't be able to see you.
Regards MaryD.
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/330)
13:17:43
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Gene wrote:-
>Jane...One of my recent graduates...I think you know her...was introduced to
>several "dimensional" gateways and came away from them feeling great.
And added
>I have other places that seem to be gateways to other
>dimensions / universes
Gene would you please expand on this.!?!?!
Inquisitive as ever....MaryD.
Of course, you could always ask the bl##dy woman (me) to shut up.
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/331)
13:17:57
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> dimensions / universes and one day I will slip one of these to her in a
> practice session and this time I will give her enough lead to permit her to
> pass through. When that happens, I will let you know if she ever
> returns..hahah
> Gene...
> ----
Dear Gene,
Since your gifted student is my dear friend, I just wanted to know if
it was safe to go through an interdimensional portal. I know she has gone
through other types of what I would call "magic" places, but this is
something different. To your knowledge has anyone ever tried it? I have
these fears that she will try it and won't come back to her body --
leaving it in a comotose state, or will come back psychotic. Yes, I know
I am a worrier, but I do not want to lose a good friend. ON THE OTHER
HAND, oh the stories she could tell!!! Ha ha ha...
Jane
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel-Monroe
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/332)
13:19:36
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<< >is said that a person can't stay at levels 34/35 for very long or they
>won't come back -- they will lose their earth ties and will die.
I have no personal experience with wave VI,
OK.... you all, discussing on of my favorite focus levels...
I have spent a great deal of time exploring the focus 34 etc... I go, I come
back,
(simply shift my point of view) I am alive and kicking ... its a great place
to visit but I cant -wont-dont wanna live there...
(I have as my major, a physical viewpoint right now)
I dont have nor need any guides, no silver cords nor tethers, no "protection,"
no crystals, no prayers, no chants, no incense burning, blah blah blah blahs
... just my little old self comes and goes as I will or change my point of
view.... also no fear.
BIG PLUS. (what I am is magic :-)
as I am just beginning. I
have, however, had some friends relate to me that they feel as long as
you intend to return you will. Whether this has any basis as being
factual or not I can't say. I would imagine that your state of mind has
alot to do with the results though. Again...I am a novice and this is
just pondering on my part.
Siochain,
Vikki >>
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/333)
13:19:46
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<<
Gene would you please expand on this.!?!?!
Inquisitive as ever....MaryD.
Of course, you could always ask the bl##dy woman (me) to shut up.
---- >>
Mary...I never tell people to shut up...they usually tell me to piped
down...What I was saying is that there are certain sites which have very
strong energies and when approached in RV altered state, there is a consistent
reference by all viewers to the fact of these energies and the fact it seems
to lead somewhere...I will not say where these are since that serves no
purpose however Liam and I both have had experiences with our students in
which these sites were encountered and wonderous and exhilerating things
happen...
Gene...
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/334)
13:19:58
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<< To your knowledge has anyone ever tried it? I have
these fears that she will try it and won't come back to her body -- >>
Jane...Remember..when you are RV'ing a site, you are not really there...only
your mental state is there....not your body..therefore it would be impossible
for a viewer's body NOT to come back..they are not there...as far as their
minds being left behind...also not possible...in reality only one side of the
mind is actually viewing (the right side) and when a viewer wakes..it goes
into a subservient role and allows the Left side to take over....in other
words...if a viewer goes into a dimensional warp or whatever it is...if they
do not respond to verbal commands to return (and that happens very often
incidentally...viewers sometimes like being where they are)...all the monitor
has to do is go over to them and give them a nudge of a pinch and
shazaam...they are Left Brain back in the room and complaining about the
pinch...Go ahead and knock yourself out in these sites....when the commericial
come on...you will wake up...
Gene...
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel-Monroe
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/335)
13:20:07
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>I dont have nor need any guides, no silver cords nor tethers, no
>"protection,"no crystals, no prayers, no chants, no incense burning,
>blah blah blah blahs ... just my little old self comes and goes as I
>will or change my point of view.... also no fear.
Agreed. Although I've been tsk tsk'd by some of my more new agey
friends as they are quite convinced that unless I start protecting
myself I'm going to become a Scoobie snack for some evil entity ;-)
Oh..well..their fear. For myself, I prefer looking at the whole
experience from a learning/gathering perspective. Each experience being
wonderful and as you say magic in and of itself.
Siochain,
Vikki
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...group training
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/336)
13:20:27
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Jean Luc:
In answer to your Post on 'influencing' other viewers, this is the reason
that our training methods in group prohibit any spoken words. The target
input MUST be written down by each viewer.
We discovered that fact early on when inquiring Police would attend meetings
and what they said tended to influence Psi Squad Members. In one case, the
cops were certain a girl had been kidnapped and killed. However, we thought
she was alive and in CA. It took a while to sort that one out, but she
definitely was alive and in CA.
Group training is hard enough, without control and careful techniques. It
can be done, but the fules have to be followed.
As the Psi Squad also works in/as a group, from 3 to 12 members present at a
meeting, the same rules are always followed, and all rv information is first
hand-written onto a Squad Response Form way before any verbal discussion.
When working online, this is not a problem.
Bevy J
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/337)
13:20:36
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elextrix:
As you will have gathered from response to 'Question' some of us do hold
group Seminars. Since 1965 in my/our case.
In such training there must be rules, and this factor of 'contamination' is a
highly important one in several ways, not just the verbal-response one. :)
It would be better, perhaps if all training was done one-on-one, but that is
not always possible for all of us who do train. However, there are always
ways to prohibit each of the problems, which must be followed.
If you will go to the VWR and PSI List archives on PJ's site, you will find an
entire sequence of Posts on Target Contamination, which will also be of
interest to you.
It was just last Spring, so shouldn't be hard to locate.
Bevy J
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Warning/ memory loss?
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/338)
13:20:49
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Paul:
In about 1975, I believe, there was a huge Educators/Institutions meeting in
St. Louis at the Convention Center.
One of the speakers, who was 'into' Parapsychology research devoted some time
to informing the attendees that excessive use of PSI caused a lowering of
several body factors, one of which was a lowering of potassium and one was B-
Complex. If it is important, I can contact someone who was at that meeting
and get the name of the sponsoring group as well as the date?
The information given was not news to us, but it was scientific confirmation
of an observed effect. lol we always enjoy it when science confirms
something.... lol
Bevy J
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/339)
13:20:59
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At 09:07 PM 7/12/98 +0100, you wrote:
>I'm _not_ sticking any of you on an even higher pedestal than you already
>are, or I wouldn't be able to see you.
That't it, Mary--juussst keep feeding his ego. He'll follow you anywhere! ;-)
Enjoy,
Paul
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/340)
13:21:08
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electrix:
I cannot speak for any other trainers, but we do often use double-blind and
sometimes triple-blind targets. That's hard to set up very often, but it can
be done.
The last 'target' on our website was a triple-blind. We got one accurate,
direct hit from a new Squad Member in Nevada. No sensory clues, either,
naturally.
Bevy J
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/341)
13:21:53
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electrix--
At 10:35 PM 7/11/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Have you found that having a session in the same room together
>contaminates the session.
I've never been involved in something of this nature. But since Ingo's
approach involves verbalizing everything you get, at the very least it
would seem that external disctractions might interfere with the process if
more than one person were viewing at the same time in the same room.
>Also, does Hal Puthoff holds seminars?
Nope. I hire him to give a presentation on the early days of RV to my
basic courses, but it's tough enough for him to find the time to even do
that. he's spending most of his waking hours (and probably some when he
should be sleeping) working on zero-point energy and warp drive stuff.
Enjoy!
Paul
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/342)
13:22:02
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>I've never been involved in something of this nature. But since Ingo's
>approach involves verbalizing everything you get, at the very least it
>would seem that external disctractions might interfere with the process if
>more than one person were viewing at the same time in the same room.
roger...
Re: Puthoff
>Nope. I hire him to give a presentation on the early days of RV to my
>basic courses, but it's tough enough for him to find the time to even do
>that. he's spending most of his waking hours (and probably some when he
>should be sleeping) working on zero-point energy and warp drive stuff.
Thanks for the info. I ... thought so. I have read some of his papers. I
think it's awesome.
electrix
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/343)
13:22:10
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Well Bevy, literally one step ahead of me, LOL!
I am glad to see that some instructors are doing it. It approximates reality.
Although I suppose at first it's okay to start of single blind. But I usually am
hard on myself in getting knowledge.
Thanks Bevy....
electrix
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/344)
13:22:30
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> If you will go to the VWR and PSI List archives on PJ's site, you will find an
> entire sequence of Posts on Target Contamination, which will also be of
> interest to you.
> It was just last Spring, so shouldn't be hard to locate.
> Bevy J
>
Will check into it.
Thanks.
'lectrix
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question 2: Physiology
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/345)
13:22:39
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> ... after writing down the
> target data, I lay down go into deep sleep for a bit, wake up with a much
> clearer head (phased back into the physical view), and tons of energy,
> strength in my body...... That is works best for me.
> ~Terri~
> P.S. go do your Gateway program.
Ha,ha,ha....so it is YOU! Guess what?!!
Looks like it just might happen! ;-)
'lectrix
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/346)
13:22:50
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Yaana Allen wrote:
> Our instructor gives as a lecture for an hour, then puts the target ID on the
board
> and leaves for an hour and a half. When he return we review everyone s work,
> discuss we we "KNOW" about the target, and after what seems an eternity, get
to see
> what the target is :D
Hmmmm... sounds like a reasonable approach.....
'lectrix
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel-Monroe
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/347)
13:22:57
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Hello Teri,
So flying around area 34 now! Well don't keep us in suspense, cutie.
What did you see. Was it similar to the Monroe depiction or what?
Earthbound Admirer ( for now)
Bill
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question 2: Physiology
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/348)
13:23:09
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Ha,ha,ha....so it is YOU! Guess what?!!
Looks like it just might happen! ;-)
'lectrix >>
Hi Electrix...... :-)
The reason I am pushing you to Gateway is because you dont realize how much
your energy changed after you did the weekend workshop....
~Terri~
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/349)
13:23:27
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Gene, You are the most aggravating article, I have ever encountered. You
feed these enticing little titbits, and then add just enough to keep me
begging for more.... ;-).
Can you explain _at least_ the kind of experiences which may be experienced.
MaryD.
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel-Monroe
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/350)
13:23:39
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<< So flying around area 34 now! Well don't keep us in suspense, cutie.
What did you see. Was it similar to the Monroe depiction or what? >>
Ya do put a big smile on my face Lancelot . . . .
I love the energy 'feel' of the 'higher' (?) focus levels...
But focus 12 is an absolute awesome state, can be physical or nonphysical...
works well with our current main viewpoint... :-) for myself visualization
starts here,
from 12, I can be anywhere.... or I can just "be."
The focus levels are hard for me to explain ... all I can tell you is what
sets true for my self..... and for me it is all just more of a knowingness.
What do I see in a high energy focus level? ummmm probably a lot of AOL...
I dont understand it, so I put something there too understand, communicate
with.
Someplaces you feel, some places you 'know.'
I am not aware of where Mr. Monroe, has described F 34....
Have you read his books...
~T~
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel-Monroe
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/351)
13:23:58
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<< Agreed. Although I've been tsk tsk'd by some of my more new agey
friends as they are quite convinced that unless I start protecting
myself I'm going to become a Scoobie snack for some evil entity ;-)
I, nor anyone else, nor anything, can be the wind beneath your wings...
Follow your gut instincts, they are correct....
Everything will be in a perfect time, in a perfect place.
I think you will find that all you need is 'you', which is of course the
source, the basic, the ultimate ... :-)
~Terri~
Oh..well..their fear. For myself, I prefer looking at the whole
experience from a learning/gathering perspective. Each experience being
wonderful and as you say magic in and of itself. >>
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Psi and money/personal ethics
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/352)
13:24:31
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> >When I made my post I had no idea that I was joining what was going
to become
> >a full debate on the topic; I was simply offering my own opinion
and was
> hoping
> >to leave it at that.
>
> Don't panic! ;-) I myself had forgotten that the psi/money
discussion had
> even begun with you. Don't apologize for starting it. Discussion
groups
> are for bringing up relevant issues of common interest, and giving
everyone
> a chance to speak his/her mind (in a civilized manner, of course!). I
> don't think any of us thought that you were trying to define anyone's
> behavior for them. In any case, the psi vs. money issue is an
important
> ancillary issue to psi in general, so I'm glad you brought it up.
>
> Enjoy!
> Paul
Steve:
Big ol' ditto on that, Paul. The only glitch is in the fact that my
and Gene's definition of "civilized manner" may vary somewhat from
normal people's. I apologize in advance for my future brusque postings.
It is my most fervent hope that you gambling afficianados prove me to
be totally wrong, establish reliable protocols for games of chance,
and share them with me.
I want to believe
Greg
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/353)
13:24:40
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Hello Yaana,
The more the merrier, would seem to be true for targeting, unless you
get what Paul calls pychic overlay. Did you have a protocol to avoid
that?
Bill
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Psi and money
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/354)
13:24:54
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> For the time being, I'm agnostic about whether one can make money by
> directly using RV or other psi techniques for making money in games of
> chance. however, the whole issue of money and psi is a sticky one. There
> are those who think that it's okay to make money by charging money for
> training or services (I'm obviously squarely in that camp! ;-), there are
> those that think that making money with it at all is wrong, and there are
> others who only think that making money by using psi in gambling games is
> wrong
Hi all.
I've been lurking lately, but this thread about making money and psi is right
up my alley and I must add my $.02 worth.
You CAN consistently and reliably make money using psi via ARV. It's a LOT of
work, and quite tricky, but can be done. The biggest obstacle for most is the
FEAR of making money! Just reading the posts on this subject is evidence that
fear of financial success is wide spread. In what way would you think that you
don't deserve it? Society has taught us to fear money. "That filthy Lucre!"
"Money grubbing", "as unlikely as a rich man going to heaven" etc., etc.
Why would using my athletic gifts to make money be any different than using my
psi gifts? And are they all that different? How much psi is involved when
Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretsky achieve championship status for their
respective teams?
I am an entrepreneur and started a software company about 15 years ago. I was
very successful and sold my company a few years ago to a much larger
corporation. I'm now retired and spend my time researching and studying
associative remote viewing and the future. I am certain that I was successful
in business in part because of my psi abilities. I used my intuition a lot
when making decisions and I always seemed to make the right ones. It was only
recently that I discovered a possible reason why - something that I did not
believe in before - psi. I am wondering how many other successful
entrepreneurs have also made their fortunes by using their innate psi
abilities? In what way is that different than isolating your psi skills and
using only that to succeed at achieving your goals?
Relativity plays a big role in determining our perspective on this topic. A
couple of hundred years ago it was immoral and against the church to charge
interest for lending money. It was also frowned upon to use your god given
talents and gifts for anything OTHER than the holiest of purposes - to worship
God. That was the consensus relative to that time. Relative to THIS day and
age, it's nonsense!
I am ultimately altruistic though, but that's my own personal perspective -
that shouldn't in and of itself, justify making money from psi. My hope is to
eventually be able to bring some substantial proof to who ever wants to listen
as to the validity of the phenomenon. To ultimately direct attention to the
higher self, the spirit, the creator, God, the whole spiritual side that is
born from an initial interest in remote viewing. What better way to attract
the worlds attention than with some financial success?
If anyone is interesting in more information, please contact me - I'm an open
book! No secrets, no charge!
gk
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Psi and money
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/355)
13:25:04
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> But there is a further variable that is often forgotten--the REASON
one
> wants to make money in the first place. I suspect that if one has
worthy
> goals for the money, one may well be successful in many pursuits
involving
> psi and money.
Whew! Paul, you can't imagine what a sigh of relief I just breathed.
With no data other than 'gut feeling' to go on, this is the conclusion
that I have come to, also. Although I seek to acquire control of
positively obscene amounts of money, the lion's share will go to
worthy causes that are badly in need of $.
Greg
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/356)
13:25:17
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<<
Can you explain _at least_ the kind of experiences which may be experienced.
MaryD.
>>
Mary (and anyone else who wants to experieince it)...here are the coordinates
for one such site...
00X / 001 / 013 / 007 / 098
Have fun...
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stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/357)
13:25:30
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<< Paul calls pychic overlay >>
Actually anyone who has been in the business for longer than a week calls it
Psychic Overlay and it is a real problem when targeting more than one person
on the same target (regardless if they are in the same room or not...same
universe is sufficient to cause it....)
Gene Kincaid....
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/358)
13:25:40
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Bill--
At 09:22 AM 7/13/98 PDT, you wrote:
> The more the merrier, would seem to be true for targeting, unless you
>get what Paul calls pychic overlay. Did you have a protocol to avoid
>that?
Actually (a petty point), I wasn't the one that called it "psychic
overlay"--I don't even remember who that was. I used the term that had
been employed in the post to which I was referring. I probably should have
mentioned something at the time. I generally refer to it as 'telepathic
overlay," when the source of the overlay comes mentally from tasker,
monitor, or co-viewer. Psychic overlay is really too ambiguous a term for
general use, though it was certainly understandable enough in context.
Enjoy!
Paul
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question 2: Physiology
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/359)
13:25:56
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Re: [stargate] Question 2: Physiology
Hmmmmm....so now you really got me curious...I have a penchant for cryptic
messages, they motivate me to find out.
I did, however, notice that my allergy has curtail tremendously.
But of course, there must be more to the story..... I love/hate you for
knowing... ha,ha,ha,....
electrix
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/360)
13:26:05
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>A friend of mine underlined at that occasion that this is a well-know
>experience in group-psychology (for details see Solomon Ash [1951,
>1955, 1956]) on influencing and/or conformity effects. To make it
>short, if I remember well : when 9 people in a group of 10 persons
>answer "yes" to a question (even if this answer is wrong) the last
>person to talk may say "yes" too, under group's pressure, in around
>33% of the cases (even if this last person thinks the good answer to
>the question is "no").
Actually, the way I remember it, it was way closer to 100%..
-Tao_Sk8r
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Sony psi research closed down
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/361)
13:26:26
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> Ok, first, lemme say that I appreciate your response.. I just wanted
to
> throw that out there for people to chew on, with the result of
hopefully
> getting some interesting responses, and possibly a dialog.. Second, I
> have two points of contention with your derision of Courtney Brown..
Take it easy, Tao. Please seperate my derision of Courtney Brown from
my attitude towards you. I firmly maintain that Mr. Brown is quite
worthy of my derision. After taking a course (I believe from Ed Dames)
and doing a few sessions, Mr. Brown was suddenly qualified to
re-invent the wheel, give it his own name (SRV), and proclaim himself
a guru. Mr. Brown loves to hold court with glassy-eyed UFO fans, who
fall on his every word as though it were gospel. He deserves a special
place in the 'RV Luminaries Who have Disgraced RV Hall of Fame'. Even
though the Telepathic Overlay Effect will explain, in part, Courtney's
dismal failures, I feel the massive front-loading he provides may be
part of the blame. I could forgive the man if he were just a
well-meaning idiot, but I have met him twice, and I can't say this is
the case. I cautioned you against following him, strictly for your own
benefit.
Apologies to all you closed
> minded individuals who've already lumped me, at this point, firmly in
> thier wing-nut, flake, etc., list.
Apology accepted. I should point out that referring to some of
seasoned vets on this list as "closed minded individuals", would
certainly give credence to your 'wing-nut' theory.
> Second, adressing your recommendation about real RV training; I
> understand your perspective, and indeed intent to make this sort of
> training a part of my agenda, once I have buko bucks to spare for
it..
> For now, I'll rely on the free resources, thank you much.. I guess
the
> other reason for my hesitation is that, though it is quite possible
I've
> missed it, as far as I know there are no tech transfer protocols
> included in the training given by your two recommended instructors..
>
> Regards,
> Tao_Sk8r
I can can completely empathize with the finances thing, Tao, but I
think poor RV training may be less beneficial than no training. Every
"improvement" on Ingo's protocols (in USG applications) was not.
Besides, I don't think it will work unless you buy the Official
Courtney Brown Tech Transfer Decoder Ring, first.
Greg
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/362)
13:26:36
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Paul:
But isn't telepathy a two terminal communication? Otherwise that would be (here
comes the taboo word) influence, no?
It would seem that there should be a transmitter and a receiver. In some recent
books and articles I have read, many of the telepathy experiments involved one
person intentionally sending the signal and the other being receptive to the
signal. For the most part, these experiments concluded that, telepathy was most
likely to occur given the receiver was asleep or extremely relaxed. The effect
was much more effectiver if the receiver set-out to sleep and just before going
into deep sleep sending the signal to the recipient.
What is your thought on this?
electrix
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/363)
13:26:44
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Gene:
Curious...how would you describe (if even possible) this overlay? Is it kinda
synthetic? fuzzy? stale?
or is it more like a feeling thing?
electrix
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Ed Dames
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/364)
13:27:18
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Well, here is the latest news about Ed Dames, according to "Roads End" on
another list. Take it for what it is worth, meaning believe it at your
own risk. You got to be careful what comes up on the net.
Ed is so sure that this is going to happen, hes already left his
comfortable
home in Beverly Hills to moved to Polynesia, can you say y2k. There hes
involved
in PSI-TECHs latest endeavor called Project Starman. Project Starman,
you got
to
love that name, deals with, get this, contacting aliens to help
reconstruct
the
planet Earth after it has been wiped out by the aforementioned Solar
Event. He
calls it Post-Global Cataclysmic Reconstruction
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stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question 2: Physiology
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/365)
13:27:29
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<< Hmmmmm....so now you really got me curious...I have a penchant for cryptic
messages, they motivate me to find out.
I did, however, notice that my allergy has curtail tremendously.
But of course, there must be more to the story..... I love/hate you for
knowing... ha,ha,ha,....
electrix >>
From one 'empath' to another...
. . . . . . . and I could reply, but there was nothing 'cryptic' about my
message.....
just a simple statement of fact...... (innocence) then again I could draw the
curtains here and take this conversation off the list... (mischief)
(yes, Mr. Crietzman I see your eyes rollin back in your head) (sit tight I'll
be good).
~will o' the wisp~
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...telepathy
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/366)
13:27:36
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Electrix:
Hi.
Our own field research in learning and then testing telepathy indicates that
it can be done whenever...not just when asleep, or sleepy.
Yes, it is best (like some other things) done between 2 consenting adults..or
teacher and students....but it happens in many ways and at many times, and
some of these may involve children, especially if they are yours.
There are no data, far as I know, about a continuous or continuing link
between those 2 minds post-experiment, but can verify that it can and does
happen.
Hope this helps.
Bevy J
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Ed Dames
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/367)
13:27:46
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On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:25:12 -0700, bake27 wrote:
>He calls it Post-Global Cataclysmic Reconstruction
Are you sure that wasn't Post-Global Cataclysmic Regurgitation?
Sorry....I'll go back into lurk mode now...
Siochain,
Vikki
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/368)
13:28:01
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> Mary (and anyone else who wants to experieince it)...here are the coordinates
> for one such site...
> 00X / 001 / 013 / 007 / 098
>
> Have fun...
Thanks Gene,
Will be my next target :)
And for the other Explorers of our forum who want to experience some more "free
flights", here a couple of more coordinates :
Focus 21 (the edge of time-space where it is possible to contact other energy
systems)
Focus 23 (a level inhabited by those who have recently left physical existence,
from all periods of time)
or
...KT-95 (an arbitrary label given by Bob Monroe to his original Home outside
our
solar system).
Have a nice free RV ;-)
Jean-Luc.
And... remember :
"We are much more than our physical body. Because we are much more than physical
matter, we can perceive that which is greater than the Physical world..." Robert
Allen. Monroe.
Hope you like it.
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Ed Dames
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/369)
13:28:23
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<< hes already left his
comfortable
home in Beverly Hills to moved to Polynesia >>
Last time I spoke to Joni, Ed was at the waterside, scuba diving in Oahu...she
was bound and determined to send me a copy of his tapes for review...I did not
review them and they are still in the box...have not had time...anybody wants
them they can have them..
Gene..
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stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/370)
13:28:34
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>But isn't telepathy a two terminal communication? Otherwise that would be
(here
>comes the taboo word) influence, no?
Absolutely! In the case of TOL, you have the source (tasker, monitor,
co-viewer--this last, btw, is just a convenient term i made up), and the
one experiencing the TOL. But you have to remember that it occurs
somewhere at the subconscious level--the "victim" consciously thinks he/she
is getting signal line data, and the "sender" isn't intentionally trying to
cause the viewer to experience what they do. But for that matter, "RI"
would usually qualify as a 2-terminal operation as well. The question
arises as to where the dividing line might be between TOL and RI. I
suggest it has to do with the awareness level. In TOL, neither party is
aware that it is occurring, and what occurs is a transfer of impressions.
In RI, at least one party has a certain result in mind--and it may include
actual physiological effects.
>It would seem that there should be a transmitter and a receiver. In some
recent
>books and articles I have read, many of the telepathy experiments involved
one
>person intentionally sending the signal and the other being receptive to the
>signal. For the most part, these experiments concluded that, telepathy
was most
>likely to occur given the receiver was asleep or extremely relaxed.
Remember that in these experiments the aim was to consciously "transmit"
specific messages/information consciousness-to-consciousness from one
person to another in a (relatively) controlled way. In TOL, the conscious
intent is *not* to transmit. This transmission is inadvertent (hence
called "overlay"), and usually results as a default from one of two
scenarios: 1) when the target exists only as a figment in the tasker or
monitor's mind; or 2) When two or more viewers home in on the same target,
and their thought patterns harmonize enough that one "captures" the other.
In neither circumstance is TOL *certain* to occur; but its likelihood
increases significantly. Nonetheless, it is still a case of one person's
thoughts being picked up by another person or persons, which I consider
fundamentally to be telepathy.
Thanks for the question!
Enjoy,
Paul
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Ed Dames
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/371)
13:28:48
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Re: [stargate] Ed Dames
Yes, please! I intend to do a comparative review of methods/protocols and
would love to see the tapes. If they have already been claimed I would
love a copy at someone's convenience, I would pay costs.
Kind regards
Angela Thompson Smith
The Inner Vision Research Institute
Curran2106@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-07-14 01:54:58 EDT, you write:
>
> << hes already left his
> comfortable
> home in Beverly Hills to moved to Polynesia >>
> Last time I spoke to Joni, Ed was at the waterside, scuba diving in Oahu...she
> was bound and determined to send me a copy of his tapes for review...I did not
> review them and they are still in the box...have not had time...anybody wants
> them they can have them..
> Gene..
stargate : Message: [stargate]
RV presentations
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/372)
13:29:06
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[stargate] RV presentations
Hi all!
Just a quick commercial announcement (yes, I have Steve's permission ;-).
For those in the area, I will be doing presentations on remote viewing in
Las Vegas next week (text of press release included below), and in Salt
Lake City at the Golden Braid Bookstore on August 5th at 7pm. For any
interested Mormons on this or other lists to which it may or may not get
posted, I'm also doing a presentation in Salt Lake on RV and Mormonism. It
happens at the annual Sunstone Symposium, 3:30pm on Saturday, August 1st at
SLCC, Redwood Rd. campus (Sunstone's phone is 801-355-5926).
Hope to perhaps see some of you there (and I know I'll recognize you from
the :-) on your faces!).
Enjoy,
Paul
=========================================================
REMOTE VIEWING: Martial Art for the Mind
Southern Nevada native Paul H. Smith, a veteran of the U.S. Armys
top secret remote viewing program that trained military spies in
psychic intelligence-gathering skills, will give a presentation on
remote viewing and the government psychic espionage program on the
24th and 25th of July at the Psychic Eye Bookstores on West Charleston
and on Russell Road in Las Vegas.
Smith will focus on the once-secret Army program which was declassified
by the Central Intelligence Agency in 1995. A retired Army major who
grew up in Boulder City, he now trains civilian clients in the theory
and practice of remote viewing. He is president and chief instructor
of a training and consulting business in Austin, TX, and is one of
a only handful of people across the nation doing RV training.
The technique allows a person, called a viewer, to mentally perceive
objects or events removed from him by time or location. Remote viewing
was developed during the 1970s by SRI International, a Menlo Park,
California, think tank under contract with the government. The research
was sparked by reports from the Soviet Union that Russian spies were
being trained in similar psychic techniques.
For two decades the Armys remote viewing unit based at Fort Meade,
Maryland, was successfully used by the military and the CIA as an
intelligence collection tool, but was not openly acknowledged by the
Pentagon until 1995. That year, the CIA deactivated the program and
began the lengthy process of declassifying thousands of documents
relating to it. Declassification paved the way for the government
viewers to tell their stories and teach others remote viewing skills.
A military intelligence officer, Smith served for seven years in
the government program at Fort Meade and was the primary author of
its training manual. He is credited with more than 1,000 training
and operational remote viewing sessions during his time at Fort Meade,
including a session in which he described the May 17, 1987 Iraqi attack
on the USS Stark in the Persian Gulf, more than two days before it
actually happened. Further information: WWW.rviewer.com
TIME AND LOCATION:
July 24, 6:30-8:30 pm * Psychic Eye Bookstore (West), 6848 W. Charleston
July 25, 2:30-4:30 pm * Psychic Eye Bookstore (East), 3315 Russell Rd.
(Admission: $10)
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Ed Dames
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/373)
13:29:47
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<<
Yes, please! I intend to do a comparative review of methods/protocols and
would love to see the tapes. If they have already been claimed I would
love a copy at someone's convenience, I would pay costs.
Kind regards
Angela Thompson Smith
The Inner Vision Research Institute
>>
Talk to your Brother in law...he got to me first...
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Chance Expectations
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/374)
13:29:59
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> I know we are moving away from the Red and Black thread but living
in Las
> Vegas I hear some interesting things about the casinos. It seems
that if
> someone at a routlette table is winning big, the pit boss will change
> dealers, putting in someone who can "throw the numbers". The wife of
one
> of my students (she was a routlette dealer) became so skilled at
throwing
> the ball onto the wheel that she could pretty much choose which
number
> the ball would fall on.
Hi Angela,
Unfortunately, I can present some first-hand feedback on this... While
on a protective service assignment in Vegas, a client tipped me a $100
chip upon retiring for the night. I was itchy to try out a 'system' I
had evolved, and saw this opportunity as a guilt-free chance to use
it. Parlayed the $100 into $5000 over the course of two dealer
changes. A crowd was starting to gather, following my every bet. Along
comes Dealer X. Unlike the other dealers, this guy wouldn't joke or
converse at all. He seemed to exhibit a great deal of concentration,
considering the simple task of dropping a marble on a spinning wheel.
I quickly went down to $2000 by the time the shift changed again. Got
back up to $3500, before Dealer X returned. Then down to $100 after. I
quit with my original chip, but had a very strong gut feeling I had
been 'had' by this guy. Your anecdote did nothing to dispel that
feeling.
Thought you might like some feedback
Greg
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Sony psi research closed down
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/375)
13:30:40
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Re: [stargate] Sony psi research closed down
>Take it easy, Tao. Please seperate my derision of Courtney Brown from
>my attitude towards you.
Actually I do.. Din mean to sound defensive, and actually I really
didn't take any of it personally..
>I firmly maintain that Mr. Brown is quite worthy of my derision. >After
taking a course (I believe from Ed Dames) and doing a few >sessions, Mr.
Brown was suddenly qualified to re-invent the wheel, >give it his own
name (SRV), and proclaim himself a guru.
I dunno where you garner that impression that he's even called, or even
implied himself to be a guru.. Maybe my extensive reading on the subject
has somehow managed to overlook that fact.. As for re-inventing the
wheel and all that, I gotta admit I have yet to directly compare SRV to
CRV, but something tells me I'll not find a great deal of difference,
assuming as I have that it's based on the CRV protocols, since that's
reportedly what Dames uses in his training.. I think he merely re-named
it to avoid the issues surrounding making the CRV manual public, and get
the info out for all takers..
>Mr. Brown loves to hold court with glassy-eyed UFO fans, who
>fall on his every word as though it were gospel.
Ok, if you say so, but again, I see no examples of this.. I agree it is
quite likely I've merely missed this, but I don't particularly see that
he's set himself up as a guru, though these sorts of things do tend to
attract those who would make someone a guru..
>He deserves a special place in the 'RV Luminaries Who have Disgraced
>RV Hall of Fame'. Even though the Telepathic Overlay Effect will
>explain, in part, Courtney's dismal failures, I feel the massive
>front-loading he provides may be part of the blame.
Here are two things which I will contend, first that he has any vast
record of dismal failures (and I of course STILL don't have that website
for your examination, but I promise it shall be soon).. And second, I've
not really seen the evidence pointing to front loading on his part of
that of his organization.. Even the famous essay by Prudence Calabrese,
though it pointed to many other defects at Farsight seems, in my likely
somewhat limited memory, not to have pointed to this as an issue..
>I could forgive the man if he were just a well-meaning idiot, but I
>have met him twice, and I can't say this is the case. I cautioned you
>against following him, strictly for your own benefit.
Understood, and knowing what I do about the field, this is advice I will
take, at least as far as paying for training.. No, I'll not pay
Courtney, but I will pay Mrs. Calabrese, assuming I am unable to afford
training with Paul Smith or Lyn B. (I can't spell his last name now for
some strange reason)..
>Apology accepted. I should point out that referring to some of
>seasoned vets on this list as "closed minded individuals", would
>certainly give credence to your 'wing-nut' theory.
Nono.. That was not the point.. I was speaking ONLY of those who had
rushed to that judgement..
>I can can completely empathize with the finances thing, Tao, but I
>think poor RV training may be less beneficial than no training.
Point taken, and I do agree here.. Just that as the SRV protocols ARE
made freely available, as is the original CRV manual, I'll take what I
can get from them.. I dunno if I'm actually apply the knowledge gained
from them yet, I'm just looking at the fact that they're free, and
provide a good basic understanding of how RV works..
>Every "improvement" on Ingo's protocols (in USG applications) was >not.
I'm not sure of the meaning of USG applications here, could you please
define this? Also, I agree that you're likely correct about
improvements, but I still cannot say that any have taken place for
sure..
>Besides, I don't think it will work unless you buy the Official
>Courtney Brown Tech Transfer Decoder Ring, first.
:) Good one.. Sure hope yer wrong here! :)
-Tao_Sk8r
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
RV presentations
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/376)
13:31:30
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<< I'm also doing a presentation in Salt Lake on RV and Mormonism. It
happens at the annual Sunstone Symposium, 3:30pm on Saturday, August 1st at
SLCC, Redwood Rd. campus (Sunstone's phone is 801-355-5926). >>
And Liam and I will be putting together a similar event at the Roisin Dubh Pub
beginning at opening time and lasting until one of both of us fall down and
grab the grass to keep from falling off the Earth...
Sorry I will miss Paul's gathering...really ...I am on the road doing
government things but ISTRONGLY encourage anyone in the great out West to
attend...
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Joe McMoneagle
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/377)
13:31:44
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[stargate] Joe McMoneagle
Just to let you all know, yesterday Joe McMoneagle underwent an extensive
five hour open-heart operation to repair three valves. He is currently
recuperating in intensive care, but is expected to move out of the ICU
tomorrow. he may be able to return home within a week, thanks either to
the miracle of medical science, or the stinginess of his health
provider--or both!
I thought you all would want to know. If you would, please, remember Joe
in your prayers and thoughts, and wish that he have a speedy and thorough
recovery.
Enjoy,
Paul
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Joe McMoneagle
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/378)
13:31:55
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>...If you would, please, remember Joe
>in your prayers and thoughts, and wish that he have a speedy and
>thorough recovery.
Yes, Paul I certainly will pray for the best possible outcome. Would you
mind if I passed this information on to group of people that work towards
helping people through prayer/intent?
Siochain,
Vikki
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Psi and money
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/379)
13:32:08
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Re: [stargate] Psi and money
Hi All; Liam here.
If anyone remembers my earlier post when I talked about easy money
RV gift, etc, let me clarify. First of all Paul is 100 percent correct, as
usual
when he thinks things through. First there is nothing immoral about RVing
for money. I have done it myself
(I know Paul this is a reversal of my position of 15 years ago). RVing,
monitoring,
analyzing, and writing up a correct, comprehensible, and understandable
report is HARD WORK, and should be rewarded. Teaching RV is hard work
I think it is proper for Paul and Lyn to be compensated for their efforts.
I do not think it is immoral to use RV to win a fortune at Vegas or in the
Lottery.
I do think it is stupid and unrealistic. But if you want to try your luck,
please be
my guest.
What RV does do, for many people, is make you more intuitive (more in touch
with your subconscious ?).
Playing your hunches can produce results higher than average. This is not
RV but, it probably falls under the general category of psi.It is not a
sure winner,
but, IMO, it does cut down the odds significantly. It is the same principle
as
pulling into the parking lot and "knowing" that there is a parking place in
Lane 7, or taking a test and having a "real strong feeling" that (d ) is the
correct
answer.
So if you want to use RV to win the sweepstakes and never work another day
in your life, by all means it is your bloody money so bloody well do what
you please.
If you want to put down a few quid for me I would not be insulted.
Did you hear about the RVer who went to Las Vegas in a $20,000 car and came
home in a $400,000 greyhound bus.
Good luck and bet number 37
slainte
may the force be with you.
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Star Gate Website Updated
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/380)
13:33:01
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Hi All,
This is just a quick post to let you all know that the Star Gate
Website has been updated. To be honest, I feel just a little
strange making this announcement. Originally, the Star Gate list
was set up for the occassional announcements, plus news
of changes to the Star Gate Website, and was only meant to have
traffic of about 3 posts a day. I'd say it's grown just a little beyond
that - LOL! ;-)
Anyway, you're welcome to check out the changes. There's still a
few sections to go "live", but long-time visitors will probably want to
check out what's changed, and first-time visitors will want to know
what the site's about.
The address you'll need is: http://www.progressiveweb.net/stargate/
Comments are welcome on the online discussion BBSs (rather than here -
let's keep Star Gate list discussion on rv/psi if we can), at the two addresses:
http://www.progressiveweb.net/local-cgi-bin/config.pl (General RV/PSI BBS)
http://www.progressiveweb.net/local-cgi-bin/openchat.pl (Open Chat BBS)
Enjoy!
Best regards,
Steve.
stargate : Message: [stargate]
"China's Super Psychics" (One More Time)
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/381)
13:33:16
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Thought I'd try this one again... Has --anyone-- read this yet?
If you have not, I strongly urge you to. My inquiries to knowledgeable
sources as to the legitimacy of what at first seemed to be wild and far-fetched
claims, produced sobering replies.
There are PLENTY of interesting pages in this book, not the least of which
details the discovery that Shanghai's children tested 60% positive for psi
abilities (this was in the early eighties). The Chinese government promptly
set about developing this in not only Shanghai's population, but throughout
China.
The book mentions a trip there by several American observers, including Hal
Puthoff and Marcello Truzzi, both of whom wrote of what they learned
(Truzzi in Omni, and Puthoff in a paper for the Institute of Noetic
Sciences).
One chapter describes the first psychic war -- which reportedly took place
between Japan and China.
Read this book and you will quite likely be very suprised.
Here's a pointer to a review by Ingo Swann:
http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/9-ChinaPsychics.html.
Here's the page on the book at Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1569247153/002-0886107-9768611
Here's Barnes and Noble's:
http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=5SUO12WESG&mscs
sid=XEV9SDJ53KSH2HLT00LHRNKKFJF6XQ1W&isbn=1569247153
-- TB
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Joe McMoneagle
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13:33:32
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Re: [stargate] Joe McMoneagle
That would be a great idea!
Paul
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Joe McMoneagle
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13:33:43
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Re: [stargate] Joe McMoneagle
That's a roger....
My positive flows and thoughts are with him!
electrix
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...telepathy
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13:33:52
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Thank you Bevy, you have been very helpful.
Would you happen to know where I could obtain some research paper on this
subject?
God Bless
electrix
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/385)
13:34:06
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> Absolutely! In the case of TOL, you have the source (tasker, monitor,
> co-viewer--this last, btw, is just a convenient term i made up), and the
> one experiencing the TOL. But you have to remember that it occurs
> somewhere at the subconscious level--the "victim" consciously thinks he/she
> is getting signal line data, and the "sender" isn't intentionally trying to
> cause the viewer to experience what they do. But for that matter, "RI"
> would usually qualify as a 2-terminal operation as well. The question
> arises as to where the dividing line might be between TOL and RI. I
> suggest it has to do with the awareness level. In TOL, neither party is
> aware that it is occurring, and what occurs is a transfer of impressions.
> In RI, at least one party has a certain result in mind--and it may include
> actual physiological effects.
I see...your suggestion opens up quite a bit of implications. I see two
possibilities now. First one is that the state of the sub-conscious would have
to
be necessarily *global* as compare to an individuation --- part and sole parcel
of the individual. Or, second, that the "impressions" travels through some
medium to reach the other person. Also, in your scenario the condition of
receptivity, is that it is always open. However, I have found that in a
situation of extreme necessity or intense goal oriented activity the _mind_ is
openly receptive. In a condition of danger or fear, there is a shutdown of
receptivity.
In a casual scenario, I am unsure of the receptivity. I am not sure if it is
due
more to quick analysis and estimation of personal habit pattern or quick
telepathic "impression" transfer. I am presently biased towards instinct
(reaction) in the former, and anything that I perceive as an aware *concrete
image,* as the latter --- true telepathy.
Awareness, though, is key. And to be aware would indicate minute study of the
situation when it presents itself so as to notice differences.
As far as RI....well, we won't touch this area ;-).
> Remember that in these experiments the aim was to consciously "transmit"
> specific messages/information consciousness-to-consciousness from one
> person to another in a (relatively) controlled way. In TOL, the conscious
> intent is *not* to transmit. This transmission is inadvertent (hence
> called "overlay"), and usually results as a default from one of two
> scenarios: 1) when the target exists only as a figment in the tasker or
> monitor's mind; or 2) When two or more viewers home in on the same target,
> and their thought patterns harmonize enough that one "captures" the other.
> In neither circumstance is TOL *certain* to occur; but its likelihood
> increases significantly. Nonetheless, it is still a case of one person's
> thoughts being picked up by another person or persons, which I consider
> fundamentally to be telepathy.
>
In any event, I get that the principle of Telepathic Overlay differs from the
conscious and intentional transfer of telepathic images. And that Telepathic
Overlay receptivity is necessarily always open.
Thanks for the feedback
electrix
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Joe McMoneagle
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/386)
13:34:22
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[stargate] Joe McMoneagle
My prayers are with Joe indeed!
Best wishes, Laura
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Ed Dames
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13:34:36
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Re: [stargate] Ed Dames
Gene: I'd like a copy of those sometime.
Bevy Jaegers
POB 29396
St. Louis, Mo. 63126
He has full page adv. in CA papers now!! That scuba stuff must be lucrative!
BJ
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Joe McMoneagle
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/388)
13:34:44
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Re: [stargate] Joe McMoneagle
Paul;
Thanks so much for letting us all know about Joe McMoneagle. I am sure that
plenty of us will be sending good 'stuff' his way.
I'd wondered why he had not been posting lately, nor an answer to one of my
notes to him. :)
Bevy J
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Ed Dames
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/389)
13:34:52
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Re: [stargate] Ed Dames
Promised to Paul...sorry...
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Joe McMoneagle
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/390)
13:35:01
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Hi Paul;
I am so sorry to hear about Joe. He is not only a tremendous asset to the
RV community,
he is also a wonderful human being. Of course Sandy's and my prayers
are with him. I have a candle lit for him.
Thank you so much for informing everyone.
Best Wishes
Liam
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Ed Dames
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/391)
13:35:17
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Re: [stargate] Ed Dames
Mea Culpa. I apologise to Gene for any inconvenience caused by my
recent response to his kind offer. It was written without thinking and
was not intended to be offensive to anybody or any group. As penance I
will buy a copy of Ed Dames videotapes for my own use.
Humbly
Angela Thompson Smith
stargate : Message: [stargate]
AOL/dreams
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/392)
13:35:24
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Hi everybody,
I was wondering if dreams are primarily "AOL". Thanks.
Jane
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stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Real World
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13:35:36
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Hi Gene and all; Liam here. Sorry it took so long to get back on this one,
but I
have been
unable to buy any B vitamins because of a sudden rush on them and I simply
forgot.
><< I did not know I had become so
> cynical.
> >>
>Liam...It comes with old age...your cynicism is a forerunner to being
accused
>of arrogance and combattiveness...you know...acting like a stupid
>Irishman...heck it almost got me tossed off Steve's net so now I have
become a
>kinder and sweeter Gene...
snip
I cannot imagine a kinder and sweeter Gene. I am not sure the world is
ready for it.
snip
so be very careful about your cynicism...keep it in
>check since there are those on this system..great academics and sholars who
>see not "giggle" factors in anything and lead very serious and refined
>lifestyles which have long ago failed to see humor in the most unlikely
places
>and see only the seriousness of all they do...I have learned to survive
with
>them and can now use such terms as "Peer Review", quantum mechanics,
>replication of details, statistical analysis without so much as one
guffaw...I
>know have my forehead permanently squinched up into a frown as I
contemplate
>the importance of the difference between 50/50 chance and 58.3 % results
and
>the impact this 8.3% could have on the world at large....
>PS...Nice to see another Mick on the net...
>Gene..
Gene, your kind warning came to late, alas. Yesterday, I was a happy go
lucky
rogue, not taking life seriously. Insisting that all you needed to know
about RV is that it is magic. Bringing joy where ever I went by singing
beautiful ballads in my
wonderful Irish tenor. Then, when I awoke today I found myself pondering
Is the origin of time irreversibility local or cosmological? Is it in the
laws or
in boundary conditions? All I can say Gene is, that if you do not
understand the awesome significance
of that missing 8.5 % then you are obviously not taking a Gestalt, holistic
approach
to the application of proper protocols. If you do this you will vastly
underestimate
the statistical significance of deviations greater than chance in which case
you will recalibrate your Electro magnetic flimm-fram. And everyone thought
I
was just another pretty face.
slainte
May the force be with you
Liam
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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13:35:48
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Gene,
Have worked site and have a summary. Do you have feedback? Would you like
summary first?
Thank you for target and hopefully feedback.
David....................
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Real World
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/395)
13:35:58
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<< If you do this you will vastly
underestimate
the statistical significance of deviations greater than chance in which case
you will recalibrate your Electro magnetic flimm-fram. And everyone thought
I
was just another pretty face. >>
Oh sure - you say that now that you are on the wagon...but let me get you for
one night in Michael Flynns and we will really solve the mysteries of the
world...as for me, I will continue to contemplate the age old question of
which came first the chicken or the armadillo....
Gene..
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/396)
13:36:19
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<< >
Gene,
Have worked site and have a summary. Do you have feedback? Would you like
summary first? >>
uhhhhh....let me see....do I tell you what the target is first and then have
you tell me what the target is or do I have you describe it first then I
figure out which planet you think your on.....this will take some thought
now...let me think....BE SERIOUS ! ! ! ! !
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/397)
13:36:34
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>uhhhhh....let me see....do I tell you what the target is first and then have
>you tell me what the target is or do I have you describe it first then I
>figure out which planet you think your on.....this will take some thought
>now...let me think....BE SERIOUS ! ! ! ! !
>Gene.
Yep, you're right. I asked the question wrong. I thought it to be quite
generous of you to offer a dimensional target to the group. I also should
have responded to your email address instead.
Feedback COULD be assumed in the offer, but to have you take the time to
read my summary and perhaps critique it a little, would seem to me to be
presumptious on my part. I ADDED the "would you like me to send summary
first" part without considering total context.
I'll send summary direct to you. I appreciate the practice.
Thx,
David Hathcock.............
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
"China's Super Psychics" (One More Time)
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/398)
13:37:11
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>If you have not, I strongly urge you to. My inquiries to knowledgeable
>sources as to the legitimacy of what at first seemed to be wild and
far-fetched
>claims, produced sobering replies.
>
Thank you for bringing this to attention. Bought and read book.
I feel it's an interesting book. It includes commentary about the
SCICOP/Randi visit as well as Truzzi and Puthoff.
Much of the content is believable to me now that I have personally
experienced PSI at work thru RV and more open minded. Especially the
'reading with the ear or nose. However, a lot of the stuff about walking
through walls, pills from a bottle, etc were presented almost as heresay
and certainly wouldn't comply with US Parapsychology lab controlled
experiements.
Paul Dong has done a lot of good documentation work and believes in Chi
gong values to enhance PSI function. I was not convinced enough of its
value to start practicing the technique to enhance RV myself, though.
David Hathcock.........
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/399)
13:37:23
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<<
Feedback COULD be assumed in the offer, but to have you take the time to
read my summary and perhaps critique it a little, would seem to me to be
presumptious on my part. I ADDED the "would you like me to send summary
first" part without considering total context.
>>
Not presumptious...part of the deal...when I give a target..it is real and I
have feedback available...
stargate : Message: [stargate]
(no subject)
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/400)
13:38:14
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Two people have already taken me up on the "dimensional" target...if any of
you are still figuring on doing it...don'g read any further...but by the same
token..don't send me your results since there is no way I would know if you
are overlaying the results here in this feedback report or whether you are
actually sending in nice clean information...I am now going to scroll down a
bit and provide the feedback my students usually get from me during training
and practice sessions...you will notice, those who choose to read on ...that I
am my same sweet even dispositioned self when I am acting as monitor...so here
goes...follow your conscience....
Kindest Regards...Gene...
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Gene,
Summary as promised.
Session Summary:
The target is a location.
The beginning ideogram produced motion (2 types), structure, airy height,
and life forms.
GG (Genghis Gene): What type of ideogram do you produce that indicates life
forms? Ifentification of life forms usually occurs later...
The location has very massive, dense, and tall stone walls. The walls are
medium grey with a rough/coarse texture, but with rounded edges. There is
an inside feeling and the lighting is dark in places with generally starved
lighting which comes from above.
GG: Pretty quick jump from Phase 1 ideograms to this discussion. Nice
technique if it works consistently. However, this is an accurate description
of the main structure at this site.
The location size feels very intimidating and gave AOL's of 'being at the
bottom of a huge vertical mine shaft' or a 'volcano tube'.
GG: Things that are "intimidating" are not actually AOL...these are called
aethetic impacts (AI)..if they are a real wowser maybe an Emotional
Impact..for the reasl wowsers ..you need to call out a break...and say
why...anyhow...mine shaft or volcano tubes are understandable impressions at
this site...
There was a blocking and walling with massive walls with a 'Not Allowed'
feeling.
GG: I am concerned about the labelling you continue to use.."blocking"
etc....be very careful..I do not allow it...describe the physical attributes
without the lableling...However, this is an understandable concept at this
site but you still have properly described it..."Not allowed" is not the
actual concept...
The emotions of the multiple people/life forms were carefree, unconcerned,
pleasant, innocent, and with menial and redundant purpose. These emotions
were very faint and seemed reclusive at first.
GG: OK?...This does not tell me much about the people and could be laid to
practically any site outside of big cities...I do not really care about the
people anyhow therefore do not waste you time with them...
There was a big, bold, and fast motion which seemed apart in time and some
space from the motions of the lifeforms which were slow and plodding.
The target seemed intent on being just a barren interior stone space with
no life at first. It took movements to get the walling effect to go away.
GG: Very confusing isn't it. I do not have any idea what you are trying to
tell me about this place but you are sensing a very strong mystical sense here
I believe...
The Taskers Intent produced - awaken, witness, perceive, educate, learn,
know, arouse, enable, and perform. (Seems too logical, suspect AOL)
There was an S7 of "Manganese" or "Mongoose"
GG: End of the session and you are skipping around and grasping for
data...Not bad for a first session...but you are still looking through the fog
and not grabbing the key elements of this site...additional viewings would
undoubtedly clarify many of the key issues...you are welcome to continue to
view the target...
If you do....use the following coordinate...00X / 002 / 007 / 017 / 098...
If you intend to view it again...do not go any furtheron this page since I
will be doing a feedback with another viewer and at the end I will identify
the target...therefore, if you do visit the site again..do not send the
results to me...simply go to this site...
Regards...Gene...
End Summary:
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this morn I did that target you put out on the net...
I hope it is ok that I did this...
I just went and had a good time...
00X/001/013/007/098
fresh bright green, spiked, moist, rocky, mound, round, rise, large, up, roll.
Structure, massive, flat, hard (feels like, stones piled) thick, squared,
damp, ancient, different levels or ups and downs ummm some parts of structure
seem to be peaks or points.
GG: Great stuff. Good descriptives and no AOL...data is very indicative of
what you would encounter at the key structure at this site.
Main entrance open large archway.
Structure seems part of old (energies) and part newer construction.
The one main energy point, I sense this is an alter type thing, or area,
Christian (corrupted) now, but not originally.
GG: Naughty Naughty...use of the term "Christian" is pure AOL. You know
better...I appreciated the other comments...the term archway could have taken
a little more explanation but it is accurate...I also was impressed and
dismayed (at the same time) with the term "altar"..NOW WHAT DOES THAT
MEAN!?!?!...it is pure labeling...(even though it is astonishingly
accurate..but considered yourself chastized..Finally, you have hit on the key
element of the "dimensional" aspect of the target...the idea of very "old"
energies...and indeed they are very old...
Brownish, cream, gray, charcoal colors from the main structure I seem to get
bounced to an area removed from the structure, flat more open space.. I
sense this place is maybe a burial ground, there is an entity here.
GG: You are actually being "bounced" a relatively short distance...less than
a couple hundred yards...and is is removed and it is connected in some way...a
very intriguing way...
There seems to be some connection something placed in the ground here, ummmmm
the thing that is in the ground here has been removed from the main structure,
or it comes from here and was placed in the main structure, i think in the
alter area. The 'thing' contains massive energy or magick. Didi the original
inhabitants come from the sea?
GG: A continuation of the idea of a mysterious connection between the main
site and this site. Very good. Magic is the basis of the energy here...not
atomic, or cosmic...simple pure magic...Very good...this is a conceptnot
easily recognizable...Did they come from the sea? Interesting question...the
answer is yes but I would be interested to know where that insight came from
...."
The main structure feels originally magic, but it has been altered... I sense
now that ummm, well before the (ancient) inhabitants were free, and something
changed and they were made to bow or a new viewpoint came and took control of
them. They becamed supressed or controled. oppressed.
GG: The main structure was altered primarily because iof the effect the
"magic" had upon it...the old magic was replaced by a new magic...a more
realistic and definable magic but a magic none the less and the new magic did
win the people over...but the old magic did not simply vanish..and from that
old magic, the way to another place another "dimension" still exists...
I have to add the words 'abbey' ? Correct spelling...? this word it is has
something to do with english (dog) Christians this goes with the target...
also a king, or a great king was there when times were good.. early on... a
great blustery dark haired man (good guy) perhaps dark bearded also...
GG: You have gotten a firm grasp on the target and now you are conducting a
very indepth analysis of the various components and aspects of the target.
Sign of a well trained and well disciplined viewer....your instructor must
have been a genius...Watch the labelling however .."King"..what does that
mean..describe that concept and see it he remains "King"...also the "English
(dog) Christians....I may agree with the canine descriptive of my Saxon
neighbors...however, far too much labelling going on here...be careful of
entering an AOL drive...you were doing so good....
I will go back to see the hooded-robed entity tonight... He is at the burial-
ritual grounds... I need no target. he... this being here, made the "eye
contact" with me that beings make to me when they are ready to go.. ... he has
been waiting for some reason...
GG: Feel absolutely free to go back at your liesure. It is a wondrous place
and I think you will be amazed at the energies and mysteries you will find
here...
~T~
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In the Republic of Ireland is a great Cathedral in a place called Cashel...the
hugh solid rock and glassed steeples and strong thick stone walls have given
it its traditional name...The Rock of Cashel. A tale not known by many
however, gives it its mystery. At this site, visited by St. Patrick himself,
was a former Druid temple...not as ornate and not as large but it was a
central meeting place for these mysterious sorcerors and magicians. With the
conquest of the Druidic tribes by the forces of St. Patrick, it was
traditional to build the new religious temples of Christianity on the site of
the old Druid monuments and sites. At Cashel, the original site was selected
for just that reason. However, the string of strange occurences, injuries and
worker deaths finally convinced even the hardest propoenent of Catholicism in
Ireland that the site of the building of the new cathedral had to be
changed...It was moved to a site a couple of hundred yards away...and the
strange and mysterious ocurrences stopped, as did the inordinate numbers of
injuries and deaths...the site of the old Druid temple and its bubbling
springs is still held in deep respect and awe by the local inhabitants...
Slainte...
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